Reiner Fuellmich was very aware of how infiltration of "controlled opposition" into a movement would work. And how it could work by creating a "scandal over donations". Mirror Attack?
From my point of view it could be a mixed situation. I am not able to see clearly in this fog, but there are a few things very disturbing.
He clearly loves money and being at the centre of the attention.
Taking a loan using the money sent to fight the COVID craziness was not a clean action ( but if I don't remember wrong also Fisher got a small loan). And even worse was the way it was handled.
They, the whole committee, not only Fuellmich, was raising too much money and what they did was just going on with good informative videos. Not even an attempt on suing anyone.
The way Fuellmich was tricked back to Germany, as well as the harsh imprisonment as if he was a killer, shows that he was considered dangerous by the German government.
We should contemplate the possibility that things might have been set up to make Reiner Fuellmich appear a hero, when he might have been given an assignment of taking "them" apart, like he has said in the video posted above.
If he is allowed to speculate about such things with regards to Viviane Fischer, or others, as he has done repeatedly, the "mirror accusation" issue springs to mind, given his proven involvement in an operation back in the 1990s where the Scientology organisation, which as Mathew Crawford has shown has ties to the intel community, did benefit from the ensuing destruction of the community of critics of Scientology.
It may all be a weird coincidence, but it might also be a huge red flag.
After all, under the assumption that this is indeed an operation, the "harsh imprisonment" would serve the purpose of cranking up emotions. Harsh imprisonment also seems to contrast starkly with the ongoing licence to record voice messages from inside the prison. Why, again, would the "brutal government" be granting such privileges to a political prisoner? Talking about Julian Assange in the article: He he been granted such privileges by His Majesty's Government?
This seems suspiciously going in favor of getting the movement broken up about what in many ways does resemble an operation. What makes people so sure that Reiner Fuellmich is honest this time, when he wasn't honest about his operations in the 1990s? Do people who speculate freely about Viviane Fischer or Wolfgang Wodarg being complicit in "doing Reiner in" have any evidence as solid?
Is Reiner Fuellmich controlled opposition? I can’t believe that he is! Somehow they made us think that VF was? I really want to get to the bottom of this.
That’s not what I’m saying. I want to know who is! But why would Reiner give 4 years of his life to this cause if he was a phoney? My strong intuition is that Reiner did get involved in this, after his wife persuaded him to, to get to the bottom of this plandemic and for justice.
We all want to know who is. But we need to establish a reasonable way of answering the question "who is genuine". Why do soldiers give years of their lives to a cause that can cut their lives short, or cripple them? It depends on the values you hold. Which are the values of the people involved? Do they live up to them? What is their track record in terms of truthfulness (for, if someone is a liar, would you believe him next time?)?
As for why Reiner Fuellmich got into this, it seems relevant that there are different versions of that story. First he said, it was his wife who urged him to do something about it. But then, if you look at the timing of when he started to record videos in the second half of April of 2020, there appear other motives. You could even argue that he may have been creating the circumstances to get to Viviane Fischer (who by then, starting in March of 2020, had already started a petition in which she connected to almost 100,000 people about the question of a "Baseline Study" to track spread of any pathogen - which as we know never was done. She was pressuring the Government about it. So it would have been a need to get close to this driver of momentum, and try to control her. Wolfgang Wodarg was the link between them. RF might have been aware of a connection between WW and VF, so catching up with WW and dropping the news that you wanted to do something in the legal arena, might have been an "organic way" to connect RF to VF. because it was reasonable to expect WW to say that he knew VF. Just a theory, but one which is grounded on some pausibility, don't you think.
I think that we need answers from Fuellmich on a number of questions where he had been "fuzzy" or outright untruthful.
If such was known for VF (or any other protagonist) I would have the same concerns. It just so happens that until know "they" try to sell us that "Reiner" is being held as a political prisoner for "speaking out", which I don't buy. He is not a political prisoner, for if he was, we would not see (or hear) him giving inciting messages to his fan-base from a prison cell. Any government would stop it right away. What does it tell us that RF is continuing to "broadcast with permission"? And speaking out he had to, for otherwise he would never had gained the prominent position which he eventually held. But what news did he break? I can't think of any. What I can think of is a number of instances where he (Fuellmich) now gets credit for things he did not do. Where he and his aide who were coordinating the guests on the CIC cannibalised other content provider, including yours truly. For one: my Interview with Vera Sharav, in which she phrased that "this might be the beginning of the Fourth Reich" was released on March 13, 2021. Vera did not appear on the CIC until April 6.
If he was paying his law firm $30,000 a month without permission from Vivianne and the others of the group, how can he be trusted? What is the explanation for that other than stealing?
what he said i believe is his firm had to handle 10s of thousands of emails and correspondence relating to this.... that's reasonable yet he does have a past and connection to scientology that is troubling
Nobody would have had an issue with this if it he would have given advanced notice of that being the case. Maybe even after having accommodated that for a certain period to get the CIC ready for handling what had been unforeseen, if that is what happened. However, what amount of mail traffic would you think warranted 30k in handling costs?
Why did they use a passport problem to arrest him (I don’t believe the passport story)? Why not go through a formal international arrest if he did embezzled money? It doesn’t fit. The arrest doesn’t seem legal. Why is he aloud to make messages like he does? I also thought he was being used in a psyop. This trail is a circus!!! Is Reiner guilty or not. Ich verstehe nicht!
Ok, on what Reiner said because he had to travel from Göttingen. I guess I’m naïve? Reiner helped me go through this plandemic. I believed in him but since the arrest, too many incongruities. I just want the truth! Too many people tried to derail me as I was asking good questions. I could accept that Reiner is guilty but I don’t understand this imprisonment. A little too much because, in Canada, it’s not that harsh.
He said that after it was discovered what he chose to do behind his partners back though. He didn't have the authority to do that either to the others in the group, or to the people who donate the money to him. It is dishonest not to be transparent, and he has lost credibility. His words all sound like excuses. He should come clean. I am still not condemning him, I am not close enough to the debacle, but I am more skeptical now.
I’m close! I started the embassy approach. I’m sure that Elsa Schieder was lying to me. She banned me from her Substack because I’m asking too much questions. I’ve received 3 letters from Reiner since he’s in prison and an email from Inka! If he’s guilty, yes he should’ve come clear from the start. But let’s not forget the incredible work he did. I wouldn’t have gone through the plandemic without Reiner. I know there are pieces of the puzzle missing. I just want the truth. I also think that 7 months, so far, of imprisonment for this is harsh. May the light be shed!
If you are in direct contact with him, ask him why he had not confessed to his colleagues in the CIC in July/August 2022 (before the break-up, at a time when we was asked to hand back at least some money) that he had taken out another loan from the „class action“ fees, for which he had provided collateral: his house.
Ask him why he obfuscated the truth about his involvement in the discrediting of critics of Scientology in 1999? Why he wanted to make everyone believe the story was „completely fabricated“ when it clearly was not.
Why did he resort to „tactics used by Scientology in his own actions“ then and now? Why did he read a letter about psychological problems of Viviane Fischer in court again (after he and Elsa had disseminated that slander earlier) as had been refuted by VF in 2023?
The travel costs for going back and forth between Goettingen and Berlin were handled seperately. They were not part of the 30k EUR.
Why is he allowing Roger Bittel to make claims that Gold could be used by VF, if it is necessary for him to act with VF jointly to sell or move the Gold?
As for a harsh prison regime: He is still allowed to issue Voice messages which stirr up emotions and can easily be used to support claims the government is already making in their attempt to label critics „potential domestic terrorists“. That the authorities have not long since used their power to stop these messages (and habe RF gain political traction, which apparently was a prime concern according to a fishy „Dossier“) should make you wonder: qui bono? Julian Assange does not have these kind of privileges at Belmarsh.
Don’t forget that he had Elsa Schieder publish the letter about VF being mentally ill. Now she admits the letter was false. Is she stupid or part of the psyop?
I am not prepared to speculate about her, as it is he that is where I am concerned. The guy being elevated to the pantheon of freedom fighters in spite of the many red flags which so many are happy to overlook or even brush off is deeply irritating.
I will read your comment thoroughly and answer properly later because I must go to work. I received letters from Reiner as an acknowledgment to the ones I sent. We are not pen pals, not corresponding. I have a feeling that someone is trying to derail me because I’ve been suspicious of too many things. From the start I asked what is Reiner’s move that he talked about at the end of his interview with David Icke. I was sure it had something to do with the start of this circus in October. Funny, yesterday, Reiner’s Telegram account reposted the second part of this interview where he says at the end that he’s got to end it because someone is calling him about his move! My intuition, from the start, tells that there’s something wrong about this…he was arrested after that. After asking about the “move” Elsa Schieder went out of her way to derail me. Are we being psyop? Is this making sense to you? I will read more of your comment later.
If someone gives you a wonderful gift on Monday, and punches you in the face on Tuesday, gratitude for the gift becomes a moot point. Consistency is what matters when it comes to trust. That for me is the bottom line, if that is not there, then vacate immediately if physically possible.
I would speculate he needed the 30k/month to stay on top of a distressed mortgage. He could then justify it by saying the money had simply been reinvested. His explanation therefore is it was only 'creative accounting' which is perfectly fine.
Why would a top lawyer be struggling to pay a mortgage. And, can he engage in 'creative accounting' legitimately without permission from his partners in the group? Sending the message into the public square that Vivianne has psychological problems is a low thing to do, given that he took the money. I was charmed by him at first, but no longer. His actions seem sneaky, but I would need a lot more information before I can be clear on his character.
Your approach is prudent: It is not about judgment about a character. This is so irritating in his own approach versus those who ask questions. All I can say at this moment: for someone I would respect as a leader, it would take a lot more restraint and exhibit of moderation.
I go back to funneling $30K a month into a personal business account without permission of colleagues. That is shady, what explanation is valid for doing it behind their backs? If a friend did that to me, I would see it as a major red flag and move to exit.
It goes like this. Infiltrate, commit Spendenskandal then watch the entire house and everything connected to it burn down. It's a subversive tactic designed to bring down any group or organisation.
What is Roger Bittel’s role in this? And Elsa Schieder’s? I got close to her at the beginning when Reiner was arrested. I soon realized that should she was not to be trusted.
Boy would I like to talk to you! From the beginning, I exposed the interview Reiner made with David Icke where, at the end, he says he has to stop the interview because someone is calling him about his “move”! What move? Today, Reiner’s Telegram channel has reposted this interview! People close to Reiner tried to derail me for months and I received threats! Was I to close to the truth? Everything about the passports (everyone close to him gave me different versions), the kidnapping, the arrest, the trail, is fishy! Why was Inka sitting in front of the plane and Reiner, in the back? So many incongruities, pieces of the puzzle missing. I’m not sure it has to do with the Scientology thing; Reiner was never into religions. For sure, some went to great lengths to disorient me. I’ve been involved since the beginning and I think I’ve been asking too much good questions!
we;ve been totally infiltrated but good news is people are waking up to this... as we need to purge these people and get them back over line to the enemy side... make honest people of them subject to the Nuremberg code which needs to be enforced to create a better world.
From my point of view it could be a mixed situation. I am not able to see clearly in this fog, but there are a few things very disturbing.
He clearly loves money and being at the centre of the attention.
Taking a loan using the money sent to fight the COVID craziness was not a clean action ( but if I don't remember wrong also Fisher got a small loan). And even worse was the way it was handled.
They, the whole committee, not only Fuellmich, was raising too much money and what they did was just going on with good informative videos. Not even an attempt on suing anyone.
The way Fuellmich was tricked back to Germany, as well as the harsh imprisonment as if he was a killer, shows that he was considered dangerous by the German government.
How do all those things get together?
We should contemplate the possibility that things might have been set up to make Reiner Fuellmich appear a hero, when he might have been given an assignment of taking "them" apart, like he has said in the video posted above.
If he is allowed to speculate about such things with regards to Viviane Fischer, or others, as he has done repeatedly, the "mirror accusation" issue springs to mind, given his proven involvement in an operation back in the 1990s where the Scientology organisation, which as Mathew Crawford has shown has ties to the intel community, did benefit from the ensuing destruction of the community of critics of Scientology.
It may all be a weird coincidence, but it might also be a huge red flag.
After all, under the assumption that this is indeed an operation, the "harsh imprisonment" would serve the purpose of cranking up emotions. Harsh imprisonment also seems to contrast starkly with the ongoing licence to record voice messages from inside the prison. Why, again, would the "brutal government" be granting such privileges to a political prisoner? Talking about Julian Assange in the article: He he been granted such privileges by His Majesty's Government?
This seems suspiciously going in favor of getting the movement broken up about what in many ways does resemble an operation. What makes people so sure that Reiner Fuellmich is honest this time, when he wasn't honest about his operations in the 1990s? Do people who speculate freely about Viviane Fischer or Wolfgang Wodarg being complicit in "doing Reiner in" have any evidence as solid?
Is Reiner Fuellmich controlled opposition? I can’t believe that he is! Somehow they made us think that VF was? I really want to get to the bottom of this.
Why should she be, but not he? What would you take as indicator for whether someone is not genuine?
That’s not what I’m saying. I want to know who is! But why would Reiner give 4 years of his life to this cause if he was a phoney? My strong intuition is that Reiner did get involved in this, after his wife persuaded him to, to get to the bottom of this plandemic and for justice.
We all want to know who is. But we need to establish a reasonable way of answering the question "who is genuine". Why do soldiers give years of their lives to a cause that can cut their lives short, or cripple them? It depends on the values you hold. Which are the values of the people involved? Do they live up to them? What is their track record in terms of truthfulness (for, if someone is a liar, would you believe him next time?)?
As for why Reiner Fuellmich got into this, it seems relevant that there are different versions of that story. First he said, it was his wife who urged him to do something about it. But then, if you look at the timing of when he started to record videos in the second half of April of 2020, there appear other motives. You could even argue that he may have been creating the circumstances to get to Viviane Fischer (who by then, starting in March of 2020, had already started a petition in which she connected to almost 100,000 people about the question of a "Baseline Study" to track spread of any pathogen - which as we know never was done. She was pressuring the Government about it. So it would have been a need to get close to this driver of momentum, and try to control her. Wolfgang Wodarg was the link between them. RF might have been aware of a connection between WW and VF, so catching up with WW and dropping the news that you wanted to do something in the legal arena, might have been an "organic way" to connect RF to VF. because it was reasonable to expect WW to say that he knew VF. Just a theory, but one which is grounded on some pausibility, don't you think.
I think that we need answers from Fuellmich on a number of questions where he had been "fuzzy" or outright untruthful.
If such was known for VF (or any other protagonist) I would have the same concerns. It just so happens that until know "they" try to sell us that "Reiner" is being held as a political prisoner for "speaking out", which I don't buy. He is not a political prisoner, for if he was, we would not see (or hear) him giving inciting messages to his fan-base from a prison cell. Any government would stop it right away. What does it tell us that RF is continuing to "broadcast with permission"? And speaking out he had to, for otherwise he would never had gained the prominent position which he eventually held. But what news did he break? I can't think of any. What I can think of is a number of instances where he (Fuellmich) now gets credit for things he did not do. Where he and his aide who were coordinating the guests on the CIC cannibalised other content provider, including yours truly. For one: my Interview with Vera Sharav, in which she phrased that "this might be the beginning of the Fourth Reich" was released on March 13, 2021. Vera did not appear on the CIC until April 6.
Why is Miseré saying that it’s a political trial? What do you think is his role in all of this?
Interesting. We must dig some more!
Everything about the passports and the arrest don’t fit. I’ve been involved since the beginning and no one gave the same explanation.
If he was paying his law firm $30,000 a month without permission from Vivianne and the others of the group, how can he be trusted? What is the explanation for that other than stealing?
what he said i believe is his firm had to handle 10s of thousands of emails and correspondence relating to this.... that's reasonable yet he does have a past and connection to scientology that is troubling
Nobody would have had an issue with this if it he would have given advanced notice of that being the case. Maybe even after having accommodated that for a certain period to get the CIC ready for handling what had been unforeseen, if that is what happened. However, what amount of mail traffic would you think warranted 30k in handling costs?
It wasn’t only about emails but also travelling costs.
What evidence do you base that claim on?
Why did they use a passport problem to arrest him (I don’t believe the passport story)? Why not go through a formal international arrest if he did embezzled money? It doesn’t fit. The arrest doesn’t seem legal. Why is he aloud to make messages like he does? I also thought he was being used in a psyop. This trail is a circus!!! Is Reiner guilty or not. Ich verstehe nicht!
Ok, on what Reiner said because he had to travel from Göttingen. I guess I’m naïve? Reiner helped me go through this plandemic. I believed in him but since the arrest, too many incongruities. I just want the truth! Too many people tried to derail me as I was asking good questions. I could accept that Reiner is guilty but I don’t understand this imprisonment. A little too much because, in Canada, it’s not that harsh.
He said that after it was discovered what he chose to do behind his partners back though. He didn't have the authority to do that either to the others in the group, or to the people who donate the money to him. It is dishonest not to be transparent, and he has lost credibility. His words all sound like excuses. He should come clean. I am still not condemning him, I am not close enough to the debacle, but I am more skeptical now.
I’m close! I started the embassy approach. I’m sure that Elsa Schieder was lying to me. She banned me from her Substack because I’m asking too much questions. I’ve received 3 letters from Reiner since he’s in prison and an email from Inka! If he’s guilty, yes he should’ve come clear from the start. But let’s not forget the incredible work he did. I wouldn’t have gone through the plandemic without Reiner. I know there are pieces of the puzzle missing. I just want the truth. I also think that 7 months, so far, of imprisonment for this is harsh. May the light be shed!
If you are in direct contact with him, ask him why he had not confessed to his colleagues in the CIC in July/August 2022 (before the break-up, at a time when we was asked to hand back at least some money) that he had taken out another loan from the „class action“ fees, for which he had provided collateral: his house.
Ask him why he obfuscated the truth about his involvement in the discrediting of critics of Scientology in 1999? Why he wanted to make everyone believe the story was „completely fabricated“ when it clearly was not.
Why did he resort to „tactics used by Scientology in his own actions“ then and now? Why did he read a letter about psychological problems of Viviane Fischer in court again (after he and Elsa had disseminated that slander earlier) as had been refuted by VF in 2023?
The travel costs for going back and forth between Goettingen and Berlin were handled seperately. They were not part of the 30k EUR.
Why is he allowing Roger Bittel to make claims that Gold could be used by VF, if it is necessary for him to act with VF jointly to sell or move the Gold?
As for a harsh prison regime: He is still allowed to issue Voice messages which stirr up emotions and can easily be used to support claims the government is already making in their attempt to label critics „potential domestic terrorists“. That the authorities have not long since used their power to stop these messages (and habe RF gain political traction, which apparently was a prime concern according to a fishy „Dossier“) should make you wonder: qui bono? Julian Assange does not have these kind of privileges at Belmarsh.
Don’t forget that he had Elsa Schieder publish the letter about VF being mentally ill. Now she admits the letter was false. Is she stupid or part of the psyop?
I am not prepared to speculate about her, as it is he that is where I am concerned. The guy being elevated to the pantheon of freedom fighters in spite of the many red flags which so many are happy to overlook or even brush off is deeply irritating.
I will read your comment thoroughly and answer properly later because I must go to work. I received letters from Reiner as an acknowledgment to the ones I sent. We are not pen pals, not corresponding. I have a feeling that someone is trying to derail me because I’ve been suspicious of too many things. From the start I asked what is Reiner’s move that he talked about at the end of his interview with David Icke. I was sure it had something to do with the start of this circus in October. Funny, yesterday, Reiner’s Telegram account reposted the second part of this interview where he says at the end that he’s got to end it because someone is calling him about his move! My intuition, from the start, tells that there’s something wrong about this…he was arrested after that. After asking about the “move” Elsa Schieder went out of her way to derail me. Are we being psyop? Is this making sense to you? I will read more of your comment later.
Short answer to your question „are we being psyop‘d?“ is: yes!
If someone gives you a wonderful gift on Monday, and punches you in the face on Tuesday, gratitude for the gift becomes a moot point. Consistency is what matters when it comes to trust. That for me is the bottom line, if that is not there, then vacate immediately if physically possible.
I would speculate he needed the 30k/month to stay on top of a distressed mortgage. He could then justify it by saying the money had simply been reinvested. His explanation therefore is it was only 'creative accounting' which is perfectly fine.
Why would a top lawyer be struggling to pay a mortgage. And, can he engage in 'creative accounting' legitimately without permission from his partners in the group? Sending the message into the public square that Vivianne has psychological problems is a low thing to do, given that he took the money. I was charmed by him at first, but no longer. His actions seem sneaky, but I would need a lot more information before I can be clear on his character.
Your approach is prudent: It is not about judgment about a character. This is so irritating in his own approach versus those who ask questions. All I can say at this moment: for someone I would respect as a leader, it would take a lot more restraint and exhibit of moderation.
I go back to funneling $30K a month into a personal business account without permission of colleagues. That is shady, what explanation is valid for doing it behind their backs? If a friend did that to me, I would see it as a major red flag and move to exit.
It goes like this. Infiltrate, commit Spendenskandal then watch the entire house and everything connected to it burn down. It's a subversive tactic designed to bring down any group or organisation.
Who is infiltrating who, what role does Fuellmich have in this?
What is Roger Bittel’s role in this? And Elsa Schieder’s? I got close to her at the beginning when Reiner was arrested. I soon realized that should she was not to be trusted.
Boy would I like to talk to you! From the beginning, I exposed the interview Reiner made with David Icke where, at the end, he says he has to stop the interview because someone is calling him about his “move”! What move? Today, Reiner’s Telegram channel has reposted this interview! People close to Reiner tried to derail me for months and I received threats! Was I to close to the truth? Everything about the passports (everyone close to him gave me different versions), the kidnapping, the arrest, the trail, is fishy! Why was Inka sitting in front of the plane and Reiner, in the back? So many incongruities, pieces of the puzzle missing. I’m not sure it has to do with the Scientology thing; Reiner was never into religions. For sure, some went to great lengths to disorient me. I’ve been involved since the beginning and I think I’ve been asking too much good questions!
I will definitely get back to you. I’m to deep involved, since the beginning, to back off now!
Plandemonium "In the Crosshairs of Covid-19 Scientology Operation" - Reiner Fuellmich and an operation to silence a CoS-Critc https://nuremberg2.substack.com/p/plandemonium-in-the-crosshairs-of
we;ve been totally infiltrated but good news is people are waking up to this... as we need to purge these people and get them back over line to the enemy side... make honest people of them subject to the Nuremberg code which needs to be enforced to create a better world.
Plandemonium "In the Crosshairs of Covid-19 Scientology Operation" - Reiner Fuellmich and an operation to silence a CoS-Critc https://nuremberg2.substack.com/p/plandemonium-in-the-crosshairs-of