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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Instead of focusing on their past or connections....

Let's judge them by what they do, not what they say.

Malone lies and pretends to question things.

Reiner pretends to want to do Nuremberg 2, runs a fake ass court and cries for donations.

They haven't done shit for us.

They both are self serving.

And both seem to have people who defend them even after we point out the evidence is clear even years before con-vid.

Yes even Pierre Kory and McCullough are grifting here....

https://robc137.substack.com/p/years-before-mrna-and-spike-protein

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Dr Mike Yeadon's avatar

I think that what is questioned here (not in the court) is whether or not Reiner is trustworthy.

We learn that he appears to have been disingenuous in answering whether or not he understands what Scientology is.

Also, that he evidently either changed his mind or was coerced about reaching a negotiated settlement with the Corona Investigative Committee.

I don’t know quite what to make of it all, to be frank.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

He is not trustworthy. Charismatic unlike Vivianne who the straight arrow here. Listen to her step-by-step explanation on YouTube somewhere. He used thousands of donated monies to pay for 'answering emails' this was not agreed upon by the CIC. He ploughed thousands into his home. He planned on leaving Germany and moving to California. He lied about scientology, that is a lie he was caught in, unlikely the only lie involved here. The guy has proven to be shady and manipulative, and many of those types of characters have an appealing presentation. Regardless, it seems his case should not be dragged out like this.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

He did a video series for his organization ICIC the INTERNATIONAL CORONA INVESTIGATIVE COMMITTEE.....in which many prominent and highly qualified individuals testified as to the negative impact of the unwarranted "lockdowns"...followed by the illegal "mandates" and the notorious avalanche of injuries and deaths following the wake of these so-called "vaccines". I believe his committee was on the verge of exploring the detrimental effects of cell towers and 5g radiation on human and animal health when he was illegally detained and held without charges.

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Tim Groves's avatar

I always condemn the authorities for leaving people accused of white collar crime to rot it jail for years while trying them ever so slowly. If the crime was raping babies or bludgeoning old ladies to death and stealing their life savings, it would be a different matter of course, but what we have here seems to be a victimless crime and even the money that was supposedly misappropriated Is recoverable as far as I can remember from the reports.

This seems to me the kind of injustice that Amnesty International was established to try to rectify—a human rights atrocity. Throwing a man into jail, keeping him in solitary confinement, using good old Hollywood "gestapo" tactics to try to destroy his health and break his spirit—Is all of that acceptable to you, Mike, because the victim may not be trustworthy or may have been disingenuous in answering whether or not he understands what Scientology is?

If, heaven forfend, you were arrested and incarcerated on trumped-up charges and left to rot, I'd like to think that I and many other people would rally round to demand your release, even if the people doing the arresting and incarcerating and leaving you to rot announced, in addition to whatever the trumped-up charge they had concocted, that you were also untrustworthy and disingenuous.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Sorry....you are muddying the waters. The crux of the matter is Reiner Fuellmich was ILLEGALLY SEIZED and deported in Mexico while on vacation and flown ton Germany....not because of any bogus 'financial issues' with the deplorable Vivienne Fischer and the treacherous Wolfgang Wodarg...(formerly with the WHO}

He a highly regarded lawyer specializing in tort cases in the United States (certified to practice law in California and New York} as well as in Germany...owing to his duel citizenship.

He is being maltreated as if he is a common murderer, rapist or extortionist.

He exposed the covid world theater for what it was AND STILL IS

A disgusting agenda to take away our humanity and basic rights and freedoms that we do still have. He never threatened or hurt anyone ...yet he walks around in chains and under armed guards.

Horrifying and obviously illegal.

The real criminals are terrified of him and his ability to expose their brutal agenda that will put all of humanity "behind bars" except for the so-called "elites". ...

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Uwe Alschner's avatar

That‘s what it must appear to someone who is not observing what is going on, when, and who is involved.

So many coincidences …

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

It's not illegal. They had a warrant for him not reporting to court in Germany.

When he went to renew his passport, he was technically on German soil. The warrant happened there.

If he's so innocent why skip to Mexico? Why not California where he has a big fancy house?

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

At most this was simply a procedural issue and NOT A CRIME. I think it is comparable to giving someone a 1O year prison sentence for a traffic violation. NO ONE WAS HURT....

In contrast...the covid 'operation' has caused immense harm both in the lockdowns and mandates and disruptions of educational and commercial activities and in the actual forcing of substances on the confused populations that many top scientists such as Sucharit Bhakdi, Michael Palmer and Peter McCullough and numerous others at doctors4covidethics.org have stated were known in advance to cause irreparable harm.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

I had a friend who was arrested and jailed for not showing up for a bench warrant. This wasn't across countries but across states. He had some speeding ticket years ago and forgot to pay it. As soon as he was in that state, they nabbed him.

Now when it comes to Reiner, why did he choose to go to Mexico on a passport that was expiring soon? Why the rush? Why not California where he has a house?

Oh right, cause the USA has an extradition treaty.

It was pretty dirty that they got him when he was renewing his passport but again, why did he seek to stay in a non extradition country?

If he's innocent and didn't take the money or whatever they claim, no big deal. He will be freed. But what exactly is his defense?

This whole real estate deal doesn't sound like a smart way to keep money safe.

It sounded more like a way to lose the money.

And that's why there was a case against him which he tried to avoid by hiding in Mexico.

Maybe I'm missing something here...

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

what you are missing is that Reiner Fuellmich has not been charged with any REAL CRIME.

At this moment I am sitting in a house with my vaccine injured husband who was ''mandated" to receive a very dangerous and notably untested substance they called a "vaccine"....He believed the lies and he is paying for it. His neurological damage from this "vaccine" is getting worse daily and he cannot hold his fork to eat his food or walk across a room without support.

Millions of people world wide have been killed by this "vaccine".

Doctors everywhere I calling for this deadly product to be withdrawn from the market.

That the mRNA platform is still being injected into the arms of innocent children and even BABIES now..is genocide and a crime against humanity. Reiner Fuellmich was working to expose how these "vaccines" used in concurrence with the 5g radiation that we are exposed to every day...will hurt and even kill millions of humans.

His "crime" was bring these horrors to light. Every one who loves their families need to understand these facts.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

I have no clue anymore what Reiner is going through. I'm just saying that when he was called into a case he was hiding out in Mexico and got caught.

The case against him, is it getting delayed? Why is there no verdict?

This is odd. Reminds me of Assange.

https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/Limited_hangout

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Here is the real crime and every one of us is the target:

Kathleen Nathan <snbcarmeloplussv@gmail.com>

2:42 PM (5 hours ago)

to me

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has admitted that people who received Covid mRNA “vaccines” are at risk of suffering from a deadly blood clot for up to 15 years after they received their last injection.

The shocking admission was revealed in a new peer-reviewed study published in the prestigious International Journal of Innovative Research in Medical Science.

According to the study, the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research admits that the “regulatory window of concern” for a novel genetic product, such as Covid mRNA “vaccines,” is 5-15 years.

Worryingly, the admission suggests that the vaccinated population may be facing a wave of surging blood clots as the Covid shots were only rolled out for public use roughly four years ago.

The study suggested this means fatal pulmonary hemorrhage should be considered a potential “consequence of the novel product even months to years after the last injection.”

The research was conducted by renowned American cardiologist Dr. Peter A. McCullough and prominent epidemiologist Nicolas Hulscher, MPH.

McCullough and Hulsher conducted the study to investigate the long-term risks of pulmonary hemorrhage, or blood clots.

Pulmonary hemorrhage is a life-threatening condition that occurs when blood bleeds into the lungs

The bleeding causes clots to form in the lungs, leading to hemodynamic instability and fatal outcomes due to suffocation or shock.

They noted that previous studies have only linked blood clots to in people shortly after vaccination.

However, the long-term risks have remained largely unstudied.

During the study, they investigated the death of a 47-year-old man who died from a pulmonary embolism 555 days after receiving the vaccine.

According to a new peer-reviewed study, the fatal blood clot was caused by a Pfizer “vaccine” that came from a “highly lethal batch” of Covid shots.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

Anyone who sees Reiner as a 'Saviour' has simply not done their due diligence, they may not even want to and have their bubble burst. Vivianne Fischer is telling the truth, while he was caught in lies. He took donated money for emails and took donated money and invested in his home. This is outrageous. It was not Vivianne who went after him legally, the other two attorneys in CIC did. However, he is entitled to his day in court as soon as possible.

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LadyM's avatar

Dr. Peter Breggin has been an influential critic of "CLINICAL PSYCHIATRY", NOT "CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY". He is against the use of psychotropic medication not against talk therapy.

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Uwe Alschner's avatar

Correct. It was meant to say „psychiatry“.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Praise God for a sane psychiatrist such as Dr. Peter Breggin. I have relatives that are life long addicts to dangerous psychotropic drugs because some sh*thead who called himself a "psychiatrist" wrote up a prescription for dangerous and addictive drugs that drastically change how the patient feels. There are many different drugs like this on the market, minimally tested and highly addictive and some "doctors" are very free with them. It is a terrible crime in my opinion,

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

I agree on that.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

Right, scientology does not approve of psychiatric medications, they have new members do a detox, lots of saunas etc. Also, scientology does exposure therapy, so the person becomes desensitized to the triggering of complexes.

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Original Lisa's avatar

I couldn’t make it through the article. Are we really arguing whether or not Reiner has ever been connected with Scientology? Who cares.

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

The article I think is exploring a trust issue. He did lie regarding scientology. He did take thousands and pay his own firm from CIC monies for answering emails he said. He did move thousands of donated monies into his home, all against CIC guidelines. Donors gave in good faith and were betrayed.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

I agree.

Let's judge him by what he does.

What did Reiner do besides a mock trial?

Ugh

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Rita Skeeter's avatar

Took thousands from the donated money to CIC. That is a travesty. He can't be trusted. Vivianne was shocked and the other members of CIC pressed charges as far as I remember.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

Indeed...who cares? Apparently his imprisonment is seen as somehow "important" when he was only trying to get justice for the MILLIONS OF VACCINE INJURED...not to mention dead....There are millions of young children who will now die because these "vaccines" MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE MARKET NOW....as Dr. Mike Yeadon former vp of Pfizer has repeatedly emphasized. With his many degrees and on the job experience of over 3O years.... he is able to judge what a drug can do...He has stated numerous times that these are not vaccines...and that they are formulated "to injure, to maim and to kill".

The point is that the real reason Reiner Fuellmich is in prison is because he was going to expose the fact that our children are under direct threat. And the following could happen to any child getting the mRNA injections which are now on the childhood vaccination schedule.

"Israel’s ‘poster boy’ for the mRNA Covid-19 vaccine died suddenly last month, aged eight. Yonatan Moshe Erlichman suffered cardiac arrest on the eve of Yom Kippur and died several days later in hospital.

Yonatan, the son and grandson of prominent Israeli doctors, appeared in a promotional video in 2020, urging Israelis to have the vaccination

Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu agreed to provide Pfizer with epidemiological data to help it evaluate the effectiveness of its vaccine. He said Israel would be “the lab for Pfizer” because almost all citizens have digitized medical records."

And of course, there is the notorious tale of nurse Tiffany Dover from Tennessee...who died in front of the camera getting her "vaccine". This lovely blue-eyed young woman was than replaced by an overweight brown-eyed creature CLAIMING TO BE Nurse Dover.

All of this has been copiously documented...

Dover's family remain mute on the subject.

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